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Wow! The way she bounded up those steps - three or four at a time.

I would be interested in knowing what you think of this :

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Hi Gerard:

I know that Cagney really slapped her while filming that scene, instead of doing a film slap.
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Yes, and he absolutely surprised her with that, it wasn't discussed before.
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Yes that's part of the story. Cagney, that dirty rat, was slap happy with women. Here he made a sensation pushing a grapefruit into the face of Mae Clark :

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For the remaining part, please answer how Cagney got away with this stuff. He was just a vaudvillian dancer, and now he's slapping sweet actresses around like this. The audience gasped. As a consequence they made him out to be a Hollywood gangster!
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If there are no responses by tomorrow, I shall have to spill the beans.
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That's where the grapefruit comment came from in the skit with Rich Little on Doris' TV special, Doris Day Today.
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I was unaware of a reference from the Doris Day Today Show. Was I was referencing was the movie "Public Enemy (1931; Rerelease 1949)". It was Cagney's breakout film, and the grapefruit scene, was the most sensational. That probably was what Doris's show mentioned :



It would be interesting to know what they said though, about the grapefruit. Notice in the clip how Mae holds still and poses prior to being hit, which is just what Doris did.
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Hey Gerrard - you're getting the hang of this!

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This is the rest of the story.

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In the grapefruit scene from Cagney's 1931 movie, here you can see the still frame of the superimposed sequence that makes up the shot. First he sweeps his hand past her face and the this still frame is imposed over the top of that.

The next three images are successive frames from Love Me or Leave Me - "The Slap" scene. In the middle frame he holds his hand against her face, which is the corresponding still frame. In the first frame Jimmy positions his hand and then sweeps it past her. In the last frame they begin a live sequence again, with last part of the slap superimposed. If you look carefully at the first slap frame you will see Cagney has a white cloth in his slapping hand (used for positioning?).

So, Mr Cagney made up the story about him actually slapping Doris and this was used as pre-release publicity for the movie. Cagney had developed quite a following of men who enjoyed these scenes. One man paid for another ticket just to see the grapefruit scene once more and after it he left the movie house. He said he would like to do that sometime.

They created a rumor of a possible fight - maybe because Jimmy was catholic and Doris was wearing those skimpy costumes! Or maybe because he got second billing!

In one of his later films, Jimmy Cagney was trying to leave his gangster image behind, and he gives a dazzling performance in One, Two, Three. It is nonstop action and fun. I highly recommend it.
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Sorry Gerard, but that is way too off how they film those kind of scenes. They never use superimpostions, etc. on simple things like that, especially not in 1931. And the Public Enemy still frame you point to is from a completely different camera angle than the one used in the final printed take, as seen in the YouTube clip above.

Cagney could very well have has a small cloth in his hand to soften the pain for Doris, although I don't see it in the still you refer to.

And I don't understand what you mean about the Catholic/costume/billing thing.
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You are right about the still frame. It is shot that reveals how they did it. This is similar to the original slap photo I put up, which is just a publicity still. Here is the superimposed frame :

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Notice how the hand is blurred, but the grapefruit is absolutely clear. Their hair is static and not moving. It is a fairly clear giveaway, when these events happen on successive frames. But it sure beats the cowboy slap/punch for realism, doesn't it?
Similarly, Doris does not move until after she is slapped, which is what you do when someone starts the camera and says action. If you are really slapped, your head recoils, it does not just sit there with a hand under your upper jaw in a static shot. It is the way these things are still done. Its just that they were novel back then, and so they made a sensation.

Doris got first billing in "Love Me or Leave Me", which was unusual since Cagney was the senior actor and better established.

In case it makes any difference, Doris never claimed to be actually slapped (at least that I know of). She said she got ruffed up a little in the personal assault scene where he did break her pearl necklace.
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I'm sure a lot of you will know where and when this was taken, if you do, hold off a bit and see if any of the newcomers can get it.

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Where was Doris, what was she doing, and what was the year when this was taken?
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Holding, Holding, Holding.......

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I don't have a clue - But these glasses...!!! *aargh*
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Keep holding, Jas! - and all you other jaded old Doris fans who probably know where she bought the glasses as well! :wink:
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Image I know it...I know it....I think I know it....ummm...ahhh.....




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Keep holding, Jas! - and all you other jaded old Doris fans who probably know where she bought the glasses as well!


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Did he say OLD !!!!???


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He-he, Pam! I meant to add 'like me'! :mrgreen:

Here's another from the same day (Day):

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I know I'm old, and I'm pretty sure I know about this picture.
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Looks like she is sitting on some kind of golf cart or other means of transport - Maybe at an airport (the beauty case would be the hand luggage?)
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You're not old, Barb (as Doris said to Martha in "Jumbo" - except she didn't call her Barb!) and Doris Day fans are always Young at Heart, at least.

Yes, you are close, Marion - an airport - but which one? Clue: Doris hasn't flow all that often, has she?

Hey, Marion, I just noticed a small sticker on your avatar saying 'Online' - haven't noticed that before. Can you see one on mine?
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Yours seems to be kind of broken - I only see the top and the bottom, no "online" - I have noticed that online-note that some days ago already.

Which airport... Mmmh... For the making of TMWKTM she took a ship to England, didn't she.? Also wouldn't fit with the style of the sunglasses, I would think - Looks kind of late 60's/70's for me?

Maybe Paris?

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Definitely not TMWKTM - Not with that hair.

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Your avatar-background covers the writing of the online sign - Mine is smaller.
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No idea... I'll just go with what Marion says..
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You're getting closer - but she had retired from films and TV by this stage.

(I've saved your avatar - I'll do one the same size and see if it works.)
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Well, she didn't fly to Washington to get this medal from the president... *think*

Maybe L.A. for the Cecil B. deMille Award?
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